De: Oh my! Why am I even discussing these issues with you? If you live in the same world as I, you probably know about the ticking time-bomb concept5. I guess even in such cases torture won’t be justified? Deb: No! I said no moral explanation can justify the use of torture6. De: Oh, really?! What if your father, mother, or child was in the same car in which a bomb is likely explode… if the suspect being interrogated does not reveal the car’s whereabouts. Tell me, would you still say it is immoral to torture the suspect?
Deb: Don’t corner me my friend. It is highly unlikely that such a thing will happen. But even if it does, I would rather the interrogators use other means than torturing the suspect. Have you even considered that the suspect could be a case of mistaken identity? De: Yes, but so what?! It could also turn that the suspect does indeed have valuable information. Deb: I’ll ignore your latter comment and concentrate on answering the “so what” question; I bet that if you were wrongly suspected of terrorism, you would not like the profound disrespect that the tormentors would subject you to.
I bet you’d be the first one shouting about the need to protect the autonomy of an individual when you (assuming that you will be of sound mind when the ordeal is finally over) eventually return to normalcy7. De: Don’t bet on it. I am a very understanding person you know? I would probably understand that my government was trying to protect the millions of other citizens at my inconvenience. Deb: Yeah right! Why don’t you just admit it? You are maintaining that torture should be used because you are probably aware that you are unlikely to get tortured in your lifetime.
De: You are wrong my friend. I don’t feel safe anymore; I get the feeling that terrorism is real and the perpetrators are lurking somewhere in readiness for the opportune time to hit. All the more reasons for my position that torture should, where applicable, be used to rid the country off the terrorism threat. Maybe myself, and millions of other peace-loving citizens will sleep better when that time comes. Deb: I must admit that your self-seeking nature could take the crown if there was one.
Do you realise that you are saying that just because you want to enjoy your sleep more, then people (some completely innocent) should be subjected to the worst kind of inhuman treatment? De: What’s up buddy? Do not take my words literally. Try to give me some credit for use of symbolism (laughing). By using the sleep better allegory I meant to say that we need to feel safer in our own country. This terrorism debate has been tagging on our nerves for years now. Deb: I agree that we need to feel safe.
What I don’t agree is that we need to accept, condone and even at times encourage the use of torture just so we can be safer as a country. What happened to your moral inclination? I thought you had a conscious mind buddy! You disappoint me greatly! De: Never mind. Disappointment gives life some flavour; and so you know, I hold very strong moral views on some issues. Unfortunately, torture is simply not one of them. For example, I am one of the strongest believers that the US was morally right in its use of “heightened interrogation techniques” on terror suspects8.
Deb: Oh really! And what forms the basis of your “strong beliefs” if I may ask? De: First, because I believe that justice needs to be served at whatever cost; secondly because I believe that war on terror needs some action rather than passive strategising; and third because the likes of you need to be told that terrorists cannot be spared because they don’t spare even the most innocent in our society. Deb: There you go again. Why are your arguments so unsubstantiated? So justice needs to be served; whose justice?
Don’t the people who suffer torment have a right to justice too? So you say, we need to act in order to win the war on terror; what gives you the impression that torture is the action needed to attain such an objective?
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